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what's up everybody happy tuesday we're

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going document heavy today with the

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cia in ufos

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i hope you brought the attention span

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it's going to be used up freaking dry as

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that's just uh how it goes because

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i'm not a writer

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you know

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this is the only way i can really get

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the research out

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so is going going through the uh

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paperwork so to speak here with you so

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that's what we're gonna do

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today

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and so first of all what's up to

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everybody um

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glad you are here lara

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shelly robert k42d

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uh anybody else that's here thank you

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i appreciate it

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um

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it's uh unfortunate but my live audience

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is kind of dwindling these days possibly

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uh because of you know what's going on

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with that being said

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you know i may kind of not do too many

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more of these

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unless they're

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i'll still try to schedule guests and

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stuff but like these solo shows and

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stuff it takes a lot of work so um

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may go a little long i just want to get

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out all the documents i have with the

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cia and stuff

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so but the first thing um

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is start off with a little bit of ufo

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news which is pretty interesting stuff

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i must say and you can find this on vice

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i put the link in

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the description so you can check it out

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also i started a patreon so if you feel

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you definitely can um

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i put a link in there anything helps

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don't worry about it if you can't you

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can't if you can great

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let's get to it so the link for this is

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in the description you can check it out

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um

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20 years of ufo sightings we got

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so this is where check it out

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canadian government has released 20

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the 500 plus reports spanning nearly 300

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i can guarantee you that's not even

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of that in one year alone so um

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but whatever it is they released uh this

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um to the public so you go check it out

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from someone named williams an aviation

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something 2018 a cargo flight from new

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if you ever want to look at those you

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send you a link on where to find all

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is a patreon supporter feels good

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yeah give me the money instead of google

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that's true if you do support me here

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support me on patreon

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whatever works best because if you are a

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there if you remember here but um you

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freaking you too man

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but they they set that up they set all

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uh just a little bit of a synopsis with

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um what they're gonna do as far as

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researching the flying saucer problem as

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large debunking program a lot of things

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that we now know of a lot of the policy

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that's important to keep in mind and now

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that that's also just a very uh vague

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um you can kind of get

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the gist of it so that when we go into

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these documents you kind of know what

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we're looking at a little bit

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uh the main player with the cia and the

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main person that you see kind of the

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most of in these documents is the person

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that i put on the cover um of this video

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marshall

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um chadwell he was their scientific guy

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and so

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you know they're a research and

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development person so

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he was dealing a lot with the flag

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sauces which is very interesting because

305
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obviously if he's dealing with it they

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thought something

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was of importance for there to be some

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research and development um going on

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so very interesting

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and just so you know robert's going to

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be in here

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correcting me and throwing a little

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extra tidbits in there every now and

314
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again that i might not be aware of or i

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miss

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so

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quite honestly

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it would be

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uh very good for you to keep an eye on

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mr cowford and what he has to say

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so

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let's

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get it going

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so first thing i'm going to say as i was

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saying before

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some of these documents um just have

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little one-liners here there so keep in

328
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mind that if i'm flying through a page

329
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it's because i'm looking for that one

330
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little blurb um and that only happens so

331
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often but

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here we go so this one here is uh an

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official diary from dd slash i maybe

334
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robert can help me and

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tell me as i go what these acronyms mean

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um because you know there's a lot of

337
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them so ddi keep an eye on culprit he

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could probably tell you what that is

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um they're all going to be

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somewhat important

341
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sure it's not like uh the janitors you

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know they keep the janitor's official uh

343
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i have a funny one today deputy director

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of central intelligence agency is this

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one

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oh yep there we go see bam

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so this is a a diary official diary of

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the acting

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deputy director

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so we're going to go to

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bullet point 3 here flying saucers

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conferred with blank and blank on the

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initial phases of examination into

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unexplained evidence

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including today's report from iran

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which they had a whole plethora of

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sightings in 1952

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oddly enough that was a big year for not

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only us

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but around the world

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they are going to attic again attic is

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um

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air technical intelligence center

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that was the arm of the air force

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that conducted blue book and grudge and

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i think sign even too um

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so you know those were all

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code or cover names for the projects but

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the people that were doing the work

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uh were

371
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a part of attic atic

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at right field with general sanford

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sanford's blessing and we'll have

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recommendation for the next stage

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including a panel for approximately

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eight scientists and engineers when they

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have completed a preliminary review of

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the estimates so

379
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what they're talking about here is the

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robertson panel and getting that

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and there's going to be

382
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some better ones at some point too so

383
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but uh here

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we got some more diary stuff

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uh but bullet point number two ray's

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question of intelligence effort on

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flying saucers as per

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the whatever memorandum

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he said

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raise it at the iac

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i see is

392
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i see

393
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crap

394
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intelligence uh something

395
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it's a group of smart intelligence

396
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people

397
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[Laughter]

398
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so yeah

399
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i see

400
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and it's like you have brain farts i

401
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,120
could have answered that like probably

402
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:55,440
two seconds ago but

403
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,880
um

404
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and there's a couple more things on this

405
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right here

406
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,040
uh we got number b very informally

407
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raised there it is intelligence advisory

408
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,520
committee see robert's got it very

409
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informally raised

410
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um the question of flying saucers the

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recent indications of highly specific

412
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observations that could not be

413
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satisfactory explained suggested that we

414
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:19,839
were considering enlisting top

415
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scientific brains and getting with the

416
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,799
national security council directive so

417
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as to enable

418
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:29,440
dci to coordinate resources on a scope

419
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,280
wider than the iac agencies

420
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,840
uh though whoever was very lukewarm to

421
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,840
the substance of the idea he was very

422
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,160
agreeable to the procedure general

423
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porter had g2 and o and i expressed

424
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approval and the others it took a

425
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benevolently benevolently

426
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,039
benevolently uh

427
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,919
neutral position

428
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,320
some of those words are just like uh my

429
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,320
mouth doesn't speak

430
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,400
correctly to say it

431
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:02,720
benevolently

432
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,480
neutral position it was agreed that

433
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:07,360
blank would proceed to organize

434
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:09,679
a scientific review group again robert

435
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:11,919
sapeno and at the same time would

436
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:16,960
circulate for a comment a proposed nscid

437
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,679
covering development of means to assure

438
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,919
prompt and positive identification of

439
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:23,120
these

440
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,750
phenomena now that doesn't sound

441
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,750
like planes or birds right

442
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,440
or they would say

443
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:37,200
prompt and positive identification of

444
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,799
these birds and planes

445
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:42,400
so

446
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:49,190
as concerned with this as other people

447
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:51,039
were including

448
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,160
uh

449
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,160
air material command

450
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,520
so we got more official diary we're

451
00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,200
going back in time a couple months is

452
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,080
october 20th 1952. um this one's pretty

453
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:04,160
interesting we got met with the dr

454
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,520
whitman chairman

455
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,039
research and development board general

456
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:10,320
maxwell of his office general sanford um

457
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,840
spelled

458
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,840
incorrectly i think and messers and

459
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,919
rieber of cia and the question of flying

460
00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:17,679
saucers

461
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:21,160
uh sanford if uh just a quick um

462
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,960
[Music]

463
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:24,880
uh to let you know the scent for guys so

464
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,360
you know that kind of popular video

465
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,280
where it's an older video samford's

466
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:31,440
talking to the microphone

467
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,480
and

468
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:34,720
basically what he's uh doing is giving a

469
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,039
press conference after the dc sightings

470
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,919
of 52. he's a big guy he's as big as you

471
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,840
can get in the air for us so that's who

472
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,600
that is at the time

473
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,520
stanford dictated the following terms of

474
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,880
reference which are going to be

475
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,400
considered

476
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,880
by rndb possibly for a test to be taken

477
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,960
over by a project i'm guessing it would

478
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,280
probably be um

479
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,360
which is interesting because blue book

480
00:20:02,310 --> 00:19:59,440
wasn't official yet at that time and

481
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,320
grudge was over

482
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,400
so

483
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,640
i'm not sure that's an interesting one

484
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,880
probably conclude that there is a wide

485
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,880
variety of natural maybe that is blue

486
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,720
book at the time i'm not sure probably

487
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,880
conclude that there is a wide variety of

488
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,640
natural phenomena that may have

489
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,039
significant effect upon our capability

490
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,600
to detect enemy weapons

491
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,120
this area phenomenon needs to be

492
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,280
examined for its various sources so that

493
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:26,960
they can be properly identified that

494
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,960
their bad effect minimized give to

495
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,679
whomever is best able to do this

496
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,440
all present at the meeting concurred in

497
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,960
this procedure and it was felt that

498
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:36,640
there was no need for a national

499
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,830
following the meeting reported above

500
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,159
adjourned to the general general

501
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,000
sanford's office at which time we

502
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,840
discussed the following

503
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,080
i brought him up to date with respect to

504
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,559
the status of the summary evaluation

505
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:56,720
paper and arranged to meet him on

506
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,029
so

507
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,919
little bit more

508
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,280
uh here

509
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,320
but i'm not sure that it's in relation

510
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,480
to saucers or not because it doesn't say

511
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,480
it although

512
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,559
it quite possibly could be

513
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,520
you know

514
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,080
but it's just hard to tell

515
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:22,640
we got general cabell in there

516
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:29,590
so

517
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,880
but you you just don't know

518
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,200
um robert i believe that probably would

519
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,520
be rent ddi

520
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
alan dooley's um he was in switzerland

521
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,960
earlier for the cia

522
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:44,320
and i think at this point he might have

523
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,750
so this is

524
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,640
um

525
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,559
nothing spectacular it almost you could

526
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,480
almost think that this would be like

527
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,039
purposeful misinformation in the cia

528
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,960
foyer reading room because some of these

529
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:02,799
pictures that they have in here are just

530
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,240
uh obviously not real

531
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,760
so

532
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,400
but i am just going to scroll through

533
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,799
these

534
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,880
this must have been like a recreation of

535
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,430
uh the foo fighters i would imagine

536
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,350
so

537
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,799
it's interesting that this picture is

538
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,360
seems boring but it it it's kind of

539
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,350
so not to waste time i'm going to keep

540
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:40,159
going through here quick because this is

541
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:41,200
just

542
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:53,110
a lot of this stuff this is from

543
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,390
and i don't know if you feel about that

544
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,720
guy but he definitely made a bunch of

545
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:04,240
stuff up

546
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,520
um i think some of what he experienced

547
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,360
and documented might have been true

548
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,159
towards beginning

549
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:14,240
maybe there was some pressure to you

550
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,200
know

551
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,320
keep up

552
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,159
that he was having some encounters and

553
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,880
maybe made some stuff up at some point

554
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,000
can't say for sure but

555
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,240
that's my hunch

556
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,400
it's interesting right down here we have

557
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,080
a radar track

558
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,000
bottom right hand corner august 15th

559
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:35,039
1952 in dc so about a month after the

560
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:36,640
july sightings which is pretty

561
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,390
i don't know the accuracy of that but

562
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,559
uh this is kind of a famous photo

563
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,240
there's a crappy version they wound up

564
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:48,080
calling it um

565
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,750
and this is a little project evrocar i

566
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,840
believe it was apparently it was a big

567
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:58,960
flop

568
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,640
but i tend to think that maybe it wasn't

569
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:04,960
and it just turned into kind of a highly

570
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,990
but i don't have any proof for that this

571
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,600
one's pretty interesting

572
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,600
after looking at that this looks

573
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,720
interesting

574
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:20,720
looks fun

575
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,269
this i put in here because

576
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:29,760
now this is just one

577
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,799
article but there are so many

578
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,000
articles

579
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:37,120
in the cia foia reading room on

580
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,279
the cia or the air force

581
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,039
um

582
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,000
conducting basically a secrecy operation

583
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,080
over all the ufo files and being

584
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,320
deceptive and everything with it

585
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,679
um

586
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,840
and to be honest after all the research

587
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,400
that i've put into like the blue book

588
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,039
files and all that stuff attic files

589
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,480
rather cia files and other files it's

590
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,400
clear that there was a lot of secrecy

591
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
going on at the time i mean the

592
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,919
robertson panel report

593
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:10,320
we get to some paperwork where the air

594
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,520
force is asking permission from the cia

595
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,789
declassify the robertson panel report in

596
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:21,200
1966

597
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,390
so if that ain't secrecy

598
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:31,909
i'm not really sure

599
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,029
know what i mean

600
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,549
so

601
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:43,600
what interesting now these are kind of

602
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:46,640
like one offers and we'll get

603
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,430
this i thought was just important

604
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,679
because

605
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,840
of today

606
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,760
today's day and age where they had

607
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:03,520
congressionally approved legislation on

608
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,630
and this is back in 1978 october 26th mr

609
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,760
fred hitz legislative council cia

610
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,880
um a representative in congress bill

611
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,960
radisson

612
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,919
writes

613
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,679
dear fred i have recently been contacted

614
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,720
by one of my constituents regarding ufo

615
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,520
materials head by the cia

616
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,760
indicated to me that he has written to

617
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,679
the cia before and not received a reply

618
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,480
i would

619
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,480
appreciate receiving a report on the

620
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,720
nature of the information on ufos held

621
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,799
by the cia your policy on the release of

622
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,960
this information to private citizens or

623
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:43,360
groups of interested laymen

624
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,520
and the statutory basis for this policy

625
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,080
so it's pretty interesting the fact here

626
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,760
is that

627
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,200
they've been trying to get information

628
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,510
congress that is

629
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,120
including us

630
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,799
for a long time now i don't know what

631
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,080
they said

632
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,710
know and isn't that ironic

633
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,720
that in their foia reading room they

634
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:13,039
will have the request in there for you

635
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:14,320
to see

636
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,750
i'd be very interested in what that

637
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,600
would be

638
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,480
because in 78

639
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:26,399
as far as the public knows there is no

640
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,549
so that would be interesting

641
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,190
um here we just have some

642
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,159
um notes that are interesting

643
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,320
uh this is from hector he was the head

644
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,480
of blue book he's got some interesting

645
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,159
things here i don't actually think it's

646
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,679
from hector it's about hector and

647
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,679
somebody that cia wrote

648
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,720
obtain

649
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,039
some ideas to the scope of air force

650
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,760
effort obtain specific recent reports

651
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:57,760
and air force evaluation clearance is

652
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,710
uh conclusions have not substantially

653
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,520
changed uh for some written blah blah

654
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,520
blah

655
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,000
nothing too big review and evaluation

656
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,990
community current effort and problem

657
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,679
uh you can just get some insight when

658
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:31,110
um that's why i like to look at these

659
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,190
um now this one is interesting because

660
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,880
i've actually covered

661
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:37,919
this you can see third of may 1964 right

662
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,320
here uh state airgram a 894 sighting of

663
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,480
a ufo at canberra

664
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,600
dr sippl and nasa

665
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,000
involved

666
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,480
right nasa has always said that they had

667
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,559
no involvement ever in

668
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,720
investigating flying saucers

669
00:29:04,149 --> 00:28:59,360
so this is evidence of them completely

670
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,310
and i actually have the blue book

671
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:09,520
file on this one dr sippl

672
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,950
uh wind chill

673
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:18,320
actually and he conducted a lot of

674
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,750
just a little further information

675
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,080
the nasa was an engineer i believe he

676
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:32,399
actually worked in australia at the time

677
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,029
and this was also a landing report

678
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,840
so dr sipple and nasa are investing in a

679
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:45,360
ufo landing

680
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,029
not much here so just a little letter

681
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,880
here this is the fellow who sits on the

682
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,960
ufo

683
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:01,520
uh files at foreign technology division

684
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,279
which is what ftd stands for he's a

685
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:06,960
physicist by

686
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,000
trade and a very cooperative character

687
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,240
he can in a matter of minutes give a

688
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:13,600
full

689
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,480
um

690
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,720
something on a very specific setting

691
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,880
interesting he is a very cooperative

692
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,000
character

693
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:22,480
what does that mean

694
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,669
so

695
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:34,240
i don't know if there's too much in this

696
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,200
one but i'm gonna read it to myself in

697
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,279
oh this is something on flanks

698
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,919
flying saucer clubs

699
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,840
uh results of these investigations are

700
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:47,600
filed and considered unclassified

701
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,840
they're open

702
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,000
to inspection by any scientific

703
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
investigator

704
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:56,080
or a member of the press but the air

705
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,070
give them to the general public

706
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,240
including members of the hundred or so

707
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,120
flying saucer clubs throughout the u.s

708
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:09,919
would strain their resources beyond

709
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:15,350
that's a damning

710
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,070
so you have these 100 or so flying

711
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:24,880
saucer clubs

712
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,440
that apparently the air force thinks

713
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:29,120
shouldn't have access to the files

714
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,190
cool

715
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,710
this is a

716
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,840
interesting piece uh looks like

717
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,600
andreas over here was writing this he

718
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,960
says

719
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,840
i don't know if he was alive then but

720
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,720
maybe

721
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,399
who knows

722
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,909
this is an interesting note to me

723
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,000
a soviet scientist possibly involved in

724
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,799
investigation of ufo phenomenon i looked

725
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:05,440
this person up i found stuff on them but

726
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:06,399
not

727
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,000
really in regards to flying saucers but

728
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,000
that was just the professor boris

729
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,760
there's three other people there

730
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:17,590
i think it'd be worth

731
00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:23,990
if you want to take a screenshot

732
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:25,680
save it for later

733
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,360
[Laughter]

734
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,720
okay now this one is pretty great

735
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,279
this one's one of the better um

736
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,039
things that i've found and this is

737
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,880
decided dated december 29th 1952 effect

738
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,200
of flying saucers on air defense

739
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,000
operations

740
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,919
october 23rd 52 in a meeting with

741
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,919
general maxwell air force secretary of

742
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,440
research and development office of

743
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,080
secretary of defense debtors requested

744
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,679
concerning the effect of the phenomenon

745
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,440
of flying saucers on air defense system

746
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,600
this data was desired to assist in

747
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,279
determining whether or not the research

748
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,640
and development should apply additional

749
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,960
effort in analyzing this problem as a

750
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,399
result of this meeting the air defense

751
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,519
command

752
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,360
was requested to submit their thoughts

753
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,519
on the flying saucer phenomena

754
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,519
attached for your information and any

755
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:15,120
action team necessary or copyright is a

756
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,830
signed thomas ford

757
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,960
just getting started

758
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,559
phenomena of flag saucers has been

759
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,760
reported many times both as visual and

760
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,360
radar

761
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,399
sightings

762
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,080
your comments are desired to the

763
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,760
possible effect the sightings of this

764
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,200
phenomenon

765
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,279
could have uh

766
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,960
of this phenomena could have from an

767
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,320
operational point of view on the air

768
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,360
defense system

769
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,919
what is the radar operator's reaction to

770
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,600
the phenomenon can he recognize he or

771
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,320
she recognize and reject the echo as not

772
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,080
an aircraft

773
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,240
is it likely that some operators have

774
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,039
observed a flying saucer and rejected

775
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,880
the radar response and not reported the

776
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,600
fact now look at that line

777
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,919
now that to me is an admission of the

778
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,639
reality of flag saucers is it likely

779
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,879
that some operators have observed a

780
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:13,919
flying saucer and rejected the radar

781
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:21,270
now if it's something that's not real

782
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,430
you would say

783
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,679
you know something is it likely that

784
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,280
somebody thought

785
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,280
this blip from

786
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,480
weather

787
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,800
or chaff

788
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:39,679
was a flying saucer for some stupid

789
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,589
and reported it as such

790
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,760
no but they don't say that does a radar

791
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,599
response from this type of phenomena

792
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,599
confuse your radar operators

793
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,399
has air defense command any concern in

794
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,560
respect to the flying saucer phenomena

795
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,560
well they do

796
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,870
because they're popping off on their

797
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,150
and they don't know what to do about it

798
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,920
that's what's happening

799
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,320
again this is right after

800
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,200
july sightings washington dc

801
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,160
not right after but a couple months

802
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,839
and those settings were all over the

803
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,680
radar

804
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,320
and they also had visual sightings

805
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,920
and they said it was a temperature

806
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:28,480
inversion well they seem awfully worried

807
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,480
about temperature inversions don't they

808
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,839
here we go

809
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,000
air defense command

810
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:39,599
november 24 52 2 director of operations

811
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:47,349
dcsi maybe a little help there robert

812
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,710
um this command has compiled numerous

813
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:56,640
reports of flying objects cited both

814
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,160
visually by radar atec and air material

815
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,839
command

816
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
which interesting about air material

817
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,680
command is they are still a thing it's

818
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,680
still in colorado springs

819
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,119
and it is uh in effect

820
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,870
interesting

821
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,079
they've been assigned to the basic

822
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
responsibility for analysis of the

823
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,320
phenomena and a complete file is not

824
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,359
available at air defense command

825
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,680
um nor has a complete analysis been

826
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,000
attempted here we however

827
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,760
vitally concerned with any phenomena

828
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,320
which degrade the quality of operation

829
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,750
i don't know ac w system radar tracks

830
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,079
which do not conform to characteristics

831
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:44,079
of current aircraft that would certainly

832
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:50,630
apparently a preliminary investigation

833
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,760
of fast tracks

834
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,000
was undertaken by air defense command of

835
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,400
may 52. it was concluded that a high

836
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,040
percentage of fast tracks then reported

837
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,040
was occasioned by mutual interference

838
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,800
between radar equipments

839
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,040
that's one reason and that is a true

840
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:08,480
reason

841
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,280
an article was prepared uh 1952 august

842
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,480
adc

843
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,400
uh digest

844
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,760
oh we actually

845
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,320
read that on this show very interesting

846
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,040
that's where yeah so if you go back in

847
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,599
my episodes that is a very interesting

848
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,950
uh to describe the phenomena fast tracks

849
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,880
generated by mutual interference methods

850
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,720
used to identify the tracks as such and

851
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,400
suggested remedial measures which should

852
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,880
be taken the mutual interference problem

853
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,800
will grow as number of our radar

854
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,960
increases

855
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:44,640
continual education policy will be

856
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,990
it is difficult to assess the effect of

857
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,240
observing unusual track phenomena on the

858
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,720
operator

859
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,200
you know so real quick why this doesn't

860
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,560
hold up

861
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:01,119
right number two

862
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:01,920
is

863
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,640
can just go to

864
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,839
um

865
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,160
the one above that

866
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:12,000
compiled numerous reports of flying

867
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,430
and by radar

868
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,760
so unless radar interference

869
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,480
is calling causing visual sightings

870
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,839
as well as temperature inversions

871
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,839
apparently do

872
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,079
um i don't think that's gonna help you

873
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:31,680
with your problem

874
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,870
the flying object reports indicate many

875
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,560
very slow erratic targets which could be

876
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,320
attributed to weather phenomenon whether

877
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,000
balloons experimental balloons blimps

878
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:45,839
etcetera greater number indicates speeds

879
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,119
ranging from 700 to 2500 knots

880
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,359
at present we have no alternative at our

881
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,200
radar stations but to determine if

882
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,040
mutual interference exists

883
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,440
and to make required reports so all they

884
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,440
can do what they're saying

885
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,480
with these unidentifieds on their radars

886
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,280
is say is figure out if it's mutual

887
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:07,760
radar interference or not

888
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,790
if it is well at least we got that one

889
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,200
we anticipate interceptors and guided

890
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,880
missiles available for air defense will

891
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:25,040
be capable of intercepting targets while

892
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,670
air defense system we also anticipate

893
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,599
that enemy guided missiles will have

894
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,640
speeds of mach 2 or greater at that time

895
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,400
fast tracks radial or otherwise will

896
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,200
call for defensive action at once

897
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,280
if unusual fast track phenomenon of the

898
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,119
type now experienced persist during that

899
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,119
time interval could result in an

900
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,880
unnecessary expenditure of our guided

901
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,640
missiles and

902
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:53,119
uh inefficient utilization of our manned

903
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,320
interceptors

904
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,320
we believe that it is imperative to

905
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,160
determine the cause of unusual track

906
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,119
phenomena before the threat

907
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,839
possesses characteristics such as to

908
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,319
cause mistaken identification and

909
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,960
subsequent dissipation of our weapons

910
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,800
for air defense

911
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,400
hear the same things today pretty

912
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:14,400
interesting

913
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,470
all right robert he's got an mri

914
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,440
appointment

915
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,119
be good hope it goes well

916
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:26,960
no shame if you're watching this in the

917
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,349
um

918
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,829
yeah

919
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,599
so that was kind of the meat of it but

920
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,079
here uh we can see that

921
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
they're continuing to

922
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,079
gear up to

923
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:48,240
uh the robertson uh panel this is

924
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:55,829
there's a lot of paperwork about them

925
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
um discussing this isn't it

926
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,880
secretary of defense and the balance of

927
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,800
the national security council

928
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,640
council so everybody is involved with

929
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,200
this basically

930
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:09,440
so whatever happened here

931
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,599
the robertson panel 1953

932
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,200
i believe

933
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,119
is probably

934
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,560
the answer

935
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,960
as far as where

936
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,599
we would find more information

937
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:24,319
in

938
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,750
but

939
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,440
you know

940
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,880
i'm always going to say that i could be

941
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:43,589
interesting little note here everything

942
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:44,810
is fine

943
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,720
[Laughter]

944
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:50,480
saucer file

945
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,750
uh here we go research and development

946
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,800
board

947
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:00,800
department of defense ooh this is a good

948
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,390
dod confirming a brief conversation in

949
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,520
the hall the other day on closed

950
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,280
memorandum from general maxwell on the

951
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,599
subject we'll advise you when we receive

952
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,680
the report referred to in this memo what

953
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,599
they're referring to in the memo is i

954
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,480
believe

955
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,440
the robertson panel report

956
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:20,960
yep

957
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,430
and this is

958
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,319
department of defense

959
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:32,880
right this is who pretty much

960
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,319
this is who's handling the ufo stuff now

961
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:41,829
aoi msg

962
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,550
snoop doggy doggy all right so

963
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,400
memorandum for chairman

964
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,720
at our conference

965
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,480
the other day with mr becker general

966
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,000
sanford has agreed that we would

967
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,920
evaluate the radar phantoms from the

968
00:43:05,990 --> 00:42:59,520
viewpoint of the seriousness of the

969
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,550
i'm going to skip down a little bit

970
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,160
naturally there is general concern about

971
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,160
the radar phantoms in the larger problem

972
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,400
of flying saucers because we are unable

973
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:17,440
to explain a sizeable percentage of the

974
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,069
however

975
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,000
a great deal of activity and study is

976
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,319
going on in this field

977
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,920
which will do much to clarify this

978
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,119
situation

979
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,680
wrong

980
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,319
never happened

981
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,079
still not clarified

982
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:40,480
at least with us

983
00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:44,240
could be very clarified with them

984
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:47,480
so but isn't this funny 1952

985
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,710
the consensus seems to be that a great

986
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,119
deal of activity and study is going on

987
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,960
in this field which will do much to

988
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,960
clarify the situation

989
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,069
boy were they wrong

990
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,240
who could be there wrong that's pretty

991
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:10,880
wrong i hope that person got fired

992
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,359
i hope they go in the hall of fame

993
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,480
of wrong people

994
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,480
the wrong fame

995
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,160
the wrong hall of fame i hope that's

996
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,280
where the person goes

997
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,520
here's another wrong one it's also my

998
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,440
interesting it's also my feeling that

999
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,680
whereas formally this was subject with

1000
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:31,280
scientific men did not wish to become

1001
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,800
involved in it is now becoming

1002
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:35,440
respectable to study the subject and

1003
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,870
pretty sure the same people are saying

1004
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,839
that now

1005
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,400
so that can't be true

1006
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:45,760
not the wrong one

1007
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,119
mr alfred maxwell must have been drunk

1008
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,599
something

1009
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,240
i mean avi loeb

1010
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,839
was just

1011
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,079
he's basically

1012
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,400
talking crap to scientists every time he

1013
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,400
has an interview about them not willing

1014
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,990
you know

1015
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,190
so this person

1016
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,190
isn't correct

1017
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,040
that was not the case or maybe it was

1018
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,040
for a hot second

1019
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:22,720
maybe someone slipped him in a note for

1020
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,160
a second he was like oh

1021
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:27,680
this is from a scientist he wants to

1022
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,520
investigate everything's changing

1023
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,480
but you know can't assume things

1024
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:37,119
assumptions make asses out of you

1025
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,319
and me

1026
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,880
benji's got it like sub share

1027
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:47,430
thanks benji

1028
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,670
um

1029
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,359
as we progress

1030
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,119
uh this is just kind of an interesting

1031
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,960
one because this is all around the same

1032
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,079
time

1033
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,000
um we got the cia

1034
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,480
mr marshall chadwell here

1035
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:02,720
um talking to professor heineck now this

1036
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,480
is just about a particular sighting

1037
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,280
so there's no overall picture here but

1038
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,960
it's still interesting

1039
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,960
um to see how heinek

1040
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,680
of the consultant for project blue book

1041
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,400
ohio state university at the time and

1042
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,880
the cia are discussing

1043
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,160
a case

1044
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,630
shoving a meteor down their throat

1045
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,790
so yeah

1046
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,190
but it's interesting because you can see

1047
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,760
that they renewed their acquaintance at

1048
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:42,240
dayton

1049
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:47,119
ohio

1050
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:54,470
a tick blue book

1051
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,790
uh this is from heinek the chat well

1052
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,280
where he's just going uh the elevation

1053
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,240
the azimuth the jupiters the

1054
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:10,400
meteors are all over the place

1055
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:19,990
so he was wrong

1056
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,630
a lot of wrong people here right

1057
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,960
and by the way heineken was on

1058
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,240
the tab

1059
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,599
of the air force

1060
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,400
for about 20 years

1061
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,240
you know so

1062
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:33,920
who the hell keeps their job for that

1063
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,280
long after being wrong so many times

1064
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,829
i want to work there

1065
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,829
because literally it would take no brain

1066
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,599
power because all he had to do is be

1067
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,520
wrong

1068
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,000
so you could really say anything you

1069
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,319
could say they're all hot wheels

1070
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:56,000
there are no flags officers they're hot

1071
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,119
wheels

1072
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,040
being thrown about from planes and

1073
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:01,760
cessnas in the sky

1074
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,359
and our radars are picking them up

1075
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:14,470
20-year contract you got it

1076
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,470
just a little bit more of kind of stuff

1077
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,079
we looked at although there's an

1078
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,839
interesting point here number two the

1079
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,680
possibility of mass hysteria which might

1080
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:24,400
be purposely induced by an enemy at a

1081
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:31,349
now that's interesting

1082
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:36,079
and you'll see in these cia files the

1083
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:39,680
aspect of psychological warfare

1084
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,829
it is believed that the problems of

1085
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,680
communications confusion and overloading

1086
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,200
the serious effects of mass hysteria

1087
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,400
must be dealt with outside the

1088
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,319
intelligence community and it is planned

1089
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,160
to bring these matters to the attention

1090
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,839
of those agencies with whom the prime

1091
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,920
responsibility appears to rest with

1092
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,400
respect to master syria it is believed

1093
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,079
this problem would lie with the federal

1094
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,720
civil defense administration

1095
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,200
or the interpartamental committee on

1096
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,599
internal security

1097
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,760
that's a mouthful according it is

1098
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,200
planned to bring this to the attention

1099
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,520
of fcda

1100
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:16,960
through channels with respect to

1101
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,000
emergency communications so i actually

1102
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,119
had a report and a while back went over

1103
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,760
the report the federal civil defense

1104
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,079
administration did on the flying saucer

1105
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,400
thing which one of their options

1106
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,160
as far as what it could be

1107
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,040
was extraterrestrial animals

1108
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,390
but there were no

1109
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,040
real brain busters or aha moments in

1110
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:44,640
that report

1111
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,109
[Music]

1112
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,760
i'm just talking about somebody's

1113
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:57,680
personal trip

1114
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,670
um this is interesting they talk about

1115
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,319
how there's no evidence about um that

1116
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,599
they're foreign

1117
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,960
number three there still exists no

1118
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,480
reasonable evidence that the objects

1119
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,640
cited are of foreign origin while

1120
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,400
there's no indication that these objects

1121
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,319
represent a direct threat to national

1122
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
defense

1123
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,359
there are certain potential dangers

1124
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:21,040
which are related to these sightings as

1125
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,240
a result of the trip in these

1126
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,640
conclusions osi is proceeding with plans

1127
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,160
to convene a group probably not more

1128
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,920
than three of top-level consultants in

1129
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,760
the field of physics radar and upper

1130
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,079
atmosphere astrophysics and astronomy to

1131
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:33,920
review the evidence and recommend with

1132
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,640
respect to methodology and investigation

1133
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,960
of ufos instrumentation to obtain data

1134
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,200
on future sightings methods of rapid

1135
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,000
identification of ufos desirability for

1136
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,920
convening of a larger panel we are

1137
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,240
deferring for the present

1138
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,079
uh the convening of a large panel of

1139
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,440
adverse scientific interests for a

1140
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:54,160
detailed review blah blah okay there's

1141
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,990
now this is cia osi

1142
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,880
their report that they did on august 14

1143
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:07,760
1952 was

1144
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:11,119
a jaw-dropping report that was the most

1145
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,230
informal query of current interest in

1146
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,000
this subject resulted in a report that

1147
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,800
the subject had been quite quiet until

1148
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:24,960
about two weeks ago when a sighting of a

1149
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:28,319
perfect flying saucer was made by

1150
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:41,270
by the very popular black bar

1151
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,069
um nothing here this is like the little

1152
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,240
bits of the robertson

1153
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,200
panel report which is just um

1154
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,400
stupid

1155
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,990
it's like you read this report

1156
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,079
and then at the end of it they go

1157
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:01,760
through this whole debunking um

1158
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,480
plan an education policy that'll last a

1159
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,839
year to two

1160
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,200
a year or two

1161
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:08,880
for them to debunk all sightings

1162
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,670
which just negates the whole report how

1163
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:18,000
can you even listen to any of the report

1164
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,069
if they end with that

1165
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,990
you can't

1166
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,760
we already read this one

1167
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,720
this is kind of interesting that really

1168
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:34,240
fred whipple

1169
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,520
thought he had something to do with uh

1170
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,960
yeah harvard

1171
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,480
which is pretty interesting hey because

1172
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,800
we have someone doing that now avilo at

1173
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,559
harvard

1174
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,800
more or less patrol cameras fred whipple

1175
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,720
at harvard has a cons has had

1176
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,640
considerable experience in developing

1177
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,079
using small

1178
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,760
uh equatorially mounted cameras

1179
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,280
these are exposed for several hours

1180
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
through a rotating sector and show a

1181
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:05,119
meteor trail as a series of dashes on a

1182
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,750
in many cases two such cameras are used

1183
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,040
as i recall meteor patrol cameras have

1184
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,040
been used in the vicinity of boston

1185
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,960
southern new mexico only all the

1186
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,599
photographs are preserved and i'm sure

1187
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:22,960
there have been no

1188
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,400
unidentified objects of any type to date

1189
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,960
i am not sure

1190
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,160
especially in new mexico dumbass

1191
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:34,240
sorry

1192
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,240
but that is really similar to

1193
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,920
i mean you know the technology is going

1194
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:42,400
to be 100 different

1195
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,910
we got harvard

1196
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:51,359
cameras

1197
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,150
pretty interesting

1198
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:02,000
a little bit of mass psychology this is

1199
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:07,750
um

1200
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:15,750
because we're talking about a ufo flap

1201
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,309
the british army operational research

1202
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,240
group has made several studies of air

1203
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,839
raid reporting systems as using

1204
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,319
exercises which show the distortion and

1205
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,119
noise introduced in any reporting system

1206
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,640
there's possibility of obtaining

1207
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,119
comparable something comparable data on

1208
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,920
false alarms to fire departments and

1209
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:40,720
flaps in several military situations

1210
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:49,589
um very interesting

1211
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,760
but maybe they determined that was

1212
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,640
you know

1213
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,119
nothing special

1214
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:58,960
mass psychology it's clear that a simple

1215
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,760
statement has not and will not convince

1216
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,559
the public a psychologist

1217
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,119
may have some theoretical framework in

1218
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:09,520
which past flaps of this kind can be

1219
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:12,559
analyzed and the results extended to the

1220
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,510
pretty good one

1221
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,520
uh it seems to me that the major

1222
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:23,920
difficulty is present this is a third

1223
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:27,119
page which thornton page was kind of a

1224
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,799
um not on the side of the existence of

1225
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,440
ufos i guess to say it nicely as far as

1226
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,480
i remember

1227
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,559
it could be wrong i haven't done a whole

1228
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,040
lot of research into dude but that's

1229
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,390
oh yeah here it is either

1230
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,480
there is but this is interesting it

1231
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,079
seems to me that the

1232
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,680
major difficulty as president is the

1233
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,359
lack of a well-defined attitude among

1234
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,680
responsible officials either there is or

1235
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:56,480
there is not convincing evidence of

1236
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,440
significant phenomenon right it's true

1237
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,280
to resolve this question it must be

1238
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,200
decided in advance what levels of

1239
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,160
completeness is necessary in examining

1240
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,000
reports and what indications of hostile

1241
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,240
intent are necessary to make reported

1242
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,319
objects of importance

1243
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:13,599
it might help to point out the

1244
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,839
difference between

1245
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,440
open-mindedness and indecision and it

1246
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,680
suggests some level of

1247
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,480
graduality

1248
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:24,880
below which reports will not even be

1249
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:29,510
uh dr

1250
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:35,270
not sure uh he's got photography of

1251
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,069
nothing and cameras noted above and of

1252
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,880
auroral phenomena however

1253
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,839
okay and nothing too much there

1254
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:51,760
graduality

1255
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,950
it's like hitting a speed bump

1256
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,349
you know when you're reading that fast

1257
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:04,960
and then you hit a word that you don't

1258
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,000
really read very often

1259
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,720
let alone say out loud because i don't

1260
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:13,119
read books aloud to kids or anything you

1261
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,549
um

1262
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,680
this is

1263
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:25,680
pretty interesting stuff with captain

1264
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,789
and

1265
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,240
they talk a little bit down here about

1266
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:36,160
the os study that i talked about oh

1267
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,839
study and was planning to hand carry to

1268
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,200
washington yeah because it was a pretty

1269
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:42,400
bomb

1270
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,150
that's for sure

1271
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,589
but i think we're gonna have to do part

1272
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,200
two on this because

1273
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:55,280
i'm not even halfway through and we're

1274
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:01,990
so

1275
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:13,760
for record december 9th 1952 ufos

1276
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,910
and we'll do a part two

1277
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,160
be opposing the cia

1278
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,870
because there's just too many

1279
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:38,549
which

1280
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:40,390
i you know depending on how you look at

1281
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,230
right

1282
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:53,270
that's up to you and what you like to do

1283
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,480
um

1284
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:56,720
let me just i'm just looking for

1285
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,960
something here right quick right now

1286
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,640
that's why i'm like look like i'm

1287
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,280
looking around the camera

1288
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,319
so i'm looking for a file

1289
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,720
okay here we go

1290
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,200
it's my

1291
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,720
theme song

1292
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,359
i had to find that

1293
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,680
gotta leave on a hot note

1294
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,240
thanks everybody for hanging out um

1295
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,400
getting into the deets of the cia ufo

1296
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,640
files you can tell there's a lot

1297
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:29,200
and there's a lot more to go so we'll go

1298
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,559
over those

1299
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,280
unless um they find me and make sure

1300
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:35,359
that doesn't happen

1301
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,720
you everybody

1302
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,839
uh andreas i appreciate you lionel

1303
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:42,720
um

1304
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:45,920
toby jose y v

1305
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,119
u s r t

1306
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,960
josh

1307
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,640
uh george

1308
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:55,040
borac we've got a question uh somebody

1309
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,319
asked me a question

1310
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,280
what do you

1311
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,000
think will be the next release oh i have

1312
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,599
no freaking idea

1313
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400
lou's book should be pretty good

1314
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:07,119
that seems like it will be pretty good

1315
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,240
um

1316
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,000
i like it because

1317
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,319
i'm excited about it and he makes a

1318
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,520
habit of

1319
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,960
under promising and over delivering

1320
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,390
and

1321
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,079
he's saying that book will make sure

1322
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,680
that the genie doesn't go back in the

1323
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,040
bottle so

1324
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,720
that should be pretty good

1325
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,880
radar phantoms we love you but as far as

1326
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,079
from the government i don't know they

1327
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,520
have a classified briefing coming up

1328
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,040
soon i hope they share some of those

1329
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,960
freaking videos that they have

1330
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:38,880
i mean

1331
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,390
share some of the videos like what are

1332
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:46,000
you scared of

1333
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,390
i mean even of the one

1334
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,319
ones that are out already

1335
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,880
just share the whole thing

1336
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,670
that's pretty suspect what the hell are

1337
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,599
you hiding

1338
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,920
what are you scared of

1339
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,760
it is what it is like this thornton page

1340
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,640
said either there's convincing evidence

1341
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:13,440
of a unidentified phenomenon or there

1342
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:18,080
but we all know there is

1343
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:22,000
[Laughter]

1344
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,040
yeah

1345
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,640
thanks benji thanks for throwing that in

1346
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,079
there um

1347
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,599
this is a good vacation for me from

1348
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:29,200
thinking about the great stuff to be

1349
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,640
quite honest with you because it's

1350
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:31,920
pretty

1351
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:35,359
uh looks worse worse every day but

1352
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,240
you know

1353
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,000
there's a good example for courage

1354
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:40,880
strength pride uh integrity and it's the

1355
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,839
president of ukraine

1356
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,240
at the very least

1357
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,680
we have a new hero

1358
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:58,550
peace